Comments of How to calculate string length in a normal pattern tutorial page 2
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Hinamichan
Hinamichan
10 months, 3 weeks ago by Hinamichan
@halokiwi Thank you so much I really suck at math lol I think I've been plugging the formula in wrong this entire time lol
halokiwi
halokiwi
10 months, 3 weeks ago by halokiwi
@Hinamichan the second string loops to become the second to last string.

These two strings make 24 knots in 40 rows, wich is 0,6 which is 60%. I think you just interpreted the results wrong somehow.
Hinamichan
Hinamichan
10 months, 3 weeks ago by Hinamichan
Okay last question I have this pattern #115934 could you calculate string number 2 for me? I am a little confused on how I would calculate it. I tried to calculate it the same way you did with string 8 and 10 by doing string 2 with string 17 but it came out to 0.06% which there is no way that is correct
halokiwi
halokiwi
10 months, 3 weeks ago by halokiwi
@Hinamichan check out the part on how to adapt the formula to different bracelet and tie length
Hinamichan
Hinamichan
10 months, 3 weeks ago by Hinamichan
I am a little confused about what I would do if I want a bracelet to be longer than 14 centimeters...
halokiwi
halokiwi
10 months, 3 weeks ago by halokiwi
@whoistaji the amount of strings shouldn't really affect how long the strings need to be
whoistaji
whoistaji
10 months, 3 weeks ago by whoistaji
ive tried this with bracelets with 8 strings and it worked amazingly. I'm doing calculations for a normal pattern that has a lot of strings, the numbers seem a little low but it should still work, right? (mb if the question a lil dumb....) I put 15 cm as the length I want for the pattern: #32405
halokiwi
halokiwi
11 months ago by halokiwi
@panda4eva2 the formula for a 5,5 inches long bracelet (14cm) in inches would be:
17,7 inches + percentage of knots made divided by 2,647

But tbh, I would just calculate with cm and then transform your final result to inches. This way it is more straight forward.
halokiwi
halokiwi
11 months ago by halokiwi
@panda4eva2 6 inches are 15 centimeters. I'm sure the formula is usable with inches too, but then you need to replace every number that is in centimeters with a number in inches.
panda4eva2
panda4eva2
11 months ago by panda4eva2
@halokiwi the length of the pattern is 20 rows
In "length of braclet" I put 6 inches because I want it to be 6 inches.
When I put it into the calculator, it came out with 18.65 or something inches. That was exactly enough for one repetition plus ties.
Thank you for your patience ❤️
halokiwi
halokiwi
11 months ago by halokiwi
@panda4eva2 length of bracelet is the length of the knotted part of the bracelet without the ties. For me that length is 14cm. It depends on how many rows the pattern has how many repeats of the pattern fit into these 14cm.

Which pattern did you do? How many rows does that pattern have? Most normal patterns won't be long enough, if you do only one repetition.

I needed to repeat pattern #148888 14 times to get to 14cm. That's 14x8=112 rows. So yeah, only a very long pattern only needs one repeat.
panda4eva2
panda4eva2
11 months ago by panda4eva2
@halokiwi is "length of braclet" for the final length of the bracelet or the length of one repetition of a patter.? I did length of bracelet and it was WAY to short and was exactly one repetition plus ties.
twinpeaks
twinpeaks
11 months, 1 week ago by twinpeaks
👍
pulserasAG
pulserasAG
11 months, 3 weeks ago by pulserasAG
I can't see how you invent this 😲 😄 I am going to try this thanks for the tutorial!
halokiwi
halokiwi
1 year, 3 months ago by halokiwi
@mk22smith I'm actually not sure, but it should work for any six strand embroidery floss, not just dmc, if that's what you mean.
It might work for thinner or thicker string too, but I have not tested it. It might work because when tying with thicker strings, you need more string per knot, but you also need to make less knots.

If it does not work, you can still try to figure out a formula based on this formula.
mk22smith
mk22smith
1 year, 3 months ago by mk22smith
Does this formula assume/require that the string is normal 6 strand dcm to work? I'm working with a few different sizes nylon and paracord and having a nightmare of a time guessing lengths (I did well at first and got cocky, and now am either way over or way under). If it is not materials agnostic, I'll try to get an old friend who actually likes math to help me try myself!
halokiwi
halokiwi
1 year, 3 months ago by halokiwi
@livvywivy3 it's explained in 'explanation of formula':
20cm for ties,
about 20cm because it's the square root of (2 x 14)
and 5cm for added security.
livvywivy3
livvywivy3
1 year, 3 months ago by livvywivy3
where did you get 45 cm from
halokiwi
halokiwi
1 year, 8 months ago by halokiwi
@Jewelti thank you for you detailed feedback. I'm not sure I understand half of it (English is not my first language), but I appreciate it 😄

This method comes from experiments that I did. For me the variable 100 works perfectly. For someone else another number might work better, but I did not want to make the tutorial too complicated to understand. The formula isn't written mathematically correct, but that has the same reason.

I would recommend that you start out your experiments with the length you get from this formula. Measure what you have left over and then adjust the formula. That's what I did when developing the formula. I first made a bracelet, measured the string length, tried to develop a formula from it, applied that formula to another pattern, tied that pattern, measured the string length and adjusted the formula afterwards. I wish you lots of fun experimenting!

This is just one possible formula. Maybe you even come up with another one.
Jewelti
Jewelti
1 year, 8 months ago by Jewelti
This is more of a scientific method approach than a theoretical one, which I think is probably the better one here. A theoretical approach might calculate the length to circle the width of a string and itself twice, and as string is squishy, the experimental results are more accurate, though also subject to knot tension. The only thing that threw my little nerd brain off was the first formula for knot percentage, because of the x100 in the denominator, because a) that's the variable x not the times x so I was trying to figure out what the variable in the denominator was and b) that being in the denominator means that your dividing into something tiny.
As for the formula I might try the length thing with a few other bases and without the safety net FOR SCIENCE! later, so I'll get back to you if I do