Comments of How to calculate string length in a normal pattern tutorial page 2
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panda4eva2
panda4eva2
6 months, 2 weeks ago by panda4eva2
@halokiwi the length of the pattern is 20 rows
In "length of braclet" I put 6 inches because I want it to be 6 inches.
When I put it into the calculator, it came out with 18.65 or something inches. That was exactly enough for one repetition plus ties.
Thank you for your patience ❤️
halokiwi
halokiwi
6 months, 2 weeks ago by halokiwi
@panda4eva2 length of bracelet is the length of the knotted part of the bracelet without the ties. For me that length is 14cm. It depends on how many rows the pattern has how many repeats of the pattern fit into these 14cm.

Which pattern did you do? How many rows does that pattern have? Most normal patterns won't be long enough, if you do only one repetition.

I needed to repeat pattern #148888 14 times to get to 14cm. That's 14x8=112 rows. So yeah, only a very long pattern only needs one repeat.
panda4eva2
panda4eva2
6 months, 2 weeks ago by panda4eva2
@halokiwi is "length of braclet" for the final length of the bracelet or the length of one repetition of a patter.? I did length of bracelet and it was WAY to short and was exactly one repetition plus ties.
twinpeaks
twinpeaks
6 months, 3 weeks ago by twinpeaks
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pulserasAG
pulserasAG
7 months, 1 week ago by pulserasAG
I can't see how you invent this 😲 😄 I am going to try this thanks for the tutorial!
halokiwi
halokiwi
11 months, 1 week ago by halokiwi
@mk22smith I'm actually not sure, but it should work for any six strand embroidery floss, not just dmc, if that's what you mean.
It might work for thinner or thicker string too, but I have not tested it. It might work because when tying with thicker strings, you need more string per knot, but you also need to make less knots.

If it does not work, you can still try to figure out a formula based on this formula.
mk22smith
mk22smith
11 months, 1 week ago by mk22smith
Does this formula assume/require that the string is normal 6 strand dcm to work? I'm working with a few different sizes nylon and paracord and having a nightmare of a time guessing lengths (I did well at first and got cocky, and now am either way over or way under). If it is not materials agnostic, I'll try to get an old friend who actually likes math to help me try myself!
halokiwi
halokiwi
11 months, 2 weeks ago by halokiwi
@livvywivy3 it's explained in 'explanation of formula':
20cm for ties,
about 20cm because it's the square root of (2 x 14)
and 5cm for added security.
livvywivy3
livvywivy3
11 months, 2 weeks ago by livvywivy3
where did you get 45 cm from
halokiwi
halokiwi
1 year, 4 months ago by halokiwi
@Jewelti thank you for you detailed feedback. I'm not sure I understand half of it (English is not my first language), but I appreciate it 😄

This method comes from experiments that I did. For me the variable 100 works perfectly. For someone else another number might work better, but I did not want to make the tutorial too complicated to understand. The formula isn't written mathematically correct, but that has the same reason.

I would recommend that you start out your experiments with the length you get from this formula. Measure what you have left over and then adjust the formula. That's what I did when developing the formula. I first made a bracelet, measured the string length, tried to develop a formula from it, applied that formula to another pattern, tied that pattern, measured the string length and adjusted the formula afterwards. I wish you lots of fun experimenting!

This is just one possible formula. Maybe you even come up with another one.
Jewelti
Jewelti
1 year, 4 months ago by Jewelti
This is more of a scientific method approach than a theoretical one, which I think is probably the better one here. A theoretical approach might calculate the length to circle the width of a string and itself twice, and as string is squishy, the experimental results are more accurate, though also subject to knot tension. The only thing that threw my little nerd brain off was the first formula for knot percentage, because of the x100 in the denominator, because a) that's the variable x not the times x so I was trying to figure out what the variable in the denominator was and b) that being in the denominator means that your dividing into something tiny.
As for the formula I might try the length thing with a few other bases and without the safety net FOR SCIENCE! later, so I'll get back to you if I do
halokiwi
halokiwi
1 year, 4 months ago by halokiwi
@Reze sure 😄 my dms are always open 👍
Reze
Reze
1 year, 4 months ago by Reze
@halokiwi ..Well, I tried to calculate the length of the strings in Pattern #131533... but I'm not sure if I calculated it correctly... so if you're free... Can I send you the lengths I calculated and have a look? Just so I know I'm calculating correctly °-°
Reze
Reze
1 year, 4 months ago by Reze
I got it.. Thanks ✨
halokiwi
halokiwi
1 year, 4 months ago by halokiwi
@Reze you count the knots that have arrows that point into the direction the string is moving in
Reze
Reze
1 year, 4 months ago by Reze
So I'm counting the number of knots in the same direction as the arrow, right?
halokiwi
halokiwi
1 year, 4 months ago by halokiwi
@Reze string 2 makes 3 pink knots
The knots are in row 3, 4 and 5
Reze
Reze
1 year, 4 months ago by Reze
Wait.. I don't understand how to calculate the knots? For example, in string 2, it says that it makes 3 knots, but I see that it is only 2 knots!
loriannder
loriannder
1 year, 4 months ago by loriannder
Oh, I'm dumb, I just had to ignore the % sign to make it make sense in my head. You literally add 50 to 45.
loriannder
loriannder
1 year, 4 months ago by loriannder
I'm sorry, I'm so lost. For example, in the first string, it's +50% of what? I tried using my phone calculator to use 45 and ,50 and I couldn't get 95 with any type of calculation. I understand how to get the percentage, but not what to do with it??